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Tuesday, August 22, 2006
Why Should We be "Boxed In" by the Constitution and Laws of the United States?
Marty Lederman
In today's Wall Street Journal, Judge Richard Posner laments the fact that the federal courts are available to adjudicate whether the President's chosen methods of fighting the war on terror are consistent with the Constitution and laws of the United States. (Thanks to Howard Bashman for the link.)
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Still, one has to wonder when the Judicial Panel on Multidistrict Litigation transfers cases to a judge in California because "significantly more advanced action is pending before a judge already well versed in the issues," when this judge does not have the security clearance needed to view all the evidence. There were other Federal Judges in DC who had the necessary clearance to handle the case. So the cases will be consolidated, then deadlock, and years will be wasted waiting for appeals to be resolved to determine what the judge can see, how the evidence must be handled, and other matters, just because one plaintiff chose a particular venue and beat everyone else in the race to file the first case.
Whatever you may think of the rest of Specter's bill, there is something awfully sensible about transferring just the classified part of a case to a court that can resolve a single item of fact or law and then transfer the case back to the original District. If you insist on preserving the current Judicial Lottery and Rush to File First system, then some specialization in the middle of a trial is a useful innovation.
A good, solid contender for the stupidest thing Posner has ever written.
Strange, isn't it, that power to legislate on national-security issues is given to 535 members of Congress not chosen for their knowledge of national security? For that matter, I missed when Bush had to pass a quiz on "National Security Knowledge" to qualify for the presidency. The OBVIOUS PROBLEM with Posner's let's-trust-the-experts gibberish is that the "experts" don't decide, under his preferred scenario. An elected politician and his cronies decide. As opposed to splitting the decision amongst enough politicians and cronies to make blatant corruption a *little* harder to hid.
All the posts here concerning the Taylor ruling have been excellent. I try to disseminate them to non-blog readers as much as possible. It is really quite amazing the kinds of impressions people are getting from just reading the news or, worse, watching it on television. The collective eye is nowhere near the ball on this one. Clarification is badly needed. Thanks.
There is an argument for these type of cases to be handled by specialized courts, as is done through FISA. Judge Taylor was clearly out of her depth in handling the wiretapping case. Also, a specialized court would minimize the risk of sensative information leakig. If the only courts that could possibly hear these type of cases is a FISA-type panel and the Supreme Court, many of the president's concerns would be met.
The only issue left is whether and to what extent courts should defer to the executive. Such a concept of deference, however, is certainly not from the founding of the nation, but instead a more modern concept. The case Bas v. Tingy, 4 US (4 Dall.) 37 (1800), probably the first case that could have dealt these issues, shows absolutely no concept of deferrence, but instead approached the questions presented under ordinary legal guidelines
Just projecting ahead a few years and trying to imagine the nature of the Senate battles over confirmation of judges to the single federal court permitted to hear and decide all issues touching on national security.
What a great political solution! The Senate goes immediately to the "nuclear option" to try to force through a panel hand-picked for their "deference" to a promised executive power grab. Alternatively, of course, we could fill out the panel the way we do with the FISC, delegating the first round of the job to the hand-picked Chief of the very president whose executive power grab the new panel is supposed to pass on. In secret, no less. I suppose this is what happens when you confide so momentous a political question to a branch not only not chosen for its knowledge of how such settlements are reached, but which studiously avoids analyzing them once they are.
If the only courts that could possibly hear these type of cases is a FISA-type panel and the Supreme Court, many of the president's concerns would be met.
To the best of my knowledge, FISA judges are not appointed because they possess any special expertise in "national security matters" (whatever that might be). They are just judges. Posner's argument proves far too much. Most judges are not experts in criminal procedure or estates or community property or patent law, etc. The whole system would collapse if we demanded that (to say nothing of the fact that expertise is infinitely divisible).
I often diagree here, but the last poster had a good point - Federal District judges are often almost illiterate in many of the areas in which they have to rule, and, yet, they muddle through. My experience here is with IP cases, where the judges are often clueless. But that is likely no different in many other arcane areas of the law.
I would only disagree in that, while not expert, I expect that almost all District Court judges have a much better understanding of criminal procedure, given that they have to deal with it on a routine basis, as opposed to national security, IP, etc. Part of this comes from having a state District Court judge teach my Crim Pro class when I was in law school - he had seen it all in 10 years on the bench, and knew more criminal procedure than most attorneys practicing criminal law. Federal judges don't obviusly see the volume of criminal cases that state judges do, but I still suspect most of them see a lot more of it than they would like.
Umm.... federal judges don't need a security clearance to decide cases before them. There's something called Article III confirmation by the Senate that seems to take care of that. They have methods to deal with classified information, but there's no SF-86 they need to fill out to be "approved" for access by an executive-branch lackey. Them being a co-equal branch and all...
While Mark is correct in saying that a judge on a FISA court has no special expertise prior to becoming such a judge, the "on-the-job training" of being such a judge gives these judges the needed expertise to handle these matters in areas other than warrants, etc.
On the one hand, I think you may be misreading Judge Posner a bit. He does not claim that the Hamdan court ruled on Constitutional grounds; he only states that "The Hamdan decision suggests that a majority, albeit a bare majority, of the court is unsympathetic to arguments that our understanding of certain provisions of the Constitution needs to be revised to meet contemporary needs."
In my view -- and that of numerous commentators -- the Hamdan decision does "suggest" that a majority of the SCT is not receptive to the idea that the President's Article II war-time powers should be expanded from the limits previously suggested by Youngstown and other cases. And thank God for that! This quibble aside, Judge Posner's editorial is frightening. I would far rather have some purportedly "humble" and "ignorant" District Court judge pass on the legality of the executive branch's actions -- as the Constitution and the founders so wisely intended -- than have those within the Administration (Gonzales, anyone?) or the purportedly "wise" and "experienced" members of the Congress (Senator Inhofe? Senator Brownback? Senator Robertson? and lets' not even discuss House members) pass on those actions without judicial oversight by those not dependent on the whims of the electorate (which would repeal the Constitution in a flash if it ever came up for a vote).
the "on-the-job training" of being such a judge gives these judges the needed expertise to handle these matters in areas other than warrants, etc.
No doubt they'll develop expertise after they sit for a while, just as they do with criminal procedure (as Bruce pointed out). I'm not sure this solves Judge Posner's "problem", since any particular judge would have to hear cases before actually having such expertise. In any case, the same could be said for virtually any aspect of the law in these days of specialty practices. In my experience, judges who come to the bench with a criminal law background need a good deal of help with civil matters and vice versa. That's just on the procedure -- it sure would help if they were experts on substantive topics like antitrust, IP, RICO, etc., instead of having to be educated by the attorneys. If we demand such expertise, however, there's almost no limit to how many judges we'd need. As was pointed out in response to Brian Tamanaha's post above, there's value in having "outsiders" approach these problems, especially in cases where values tradeoffs -- liberty versus security -- predominate. Insiders can become all too incestuous.
Its wrong to assume that expertize is desirable in a judge deciding a controversy before him or her. We want the judge to decide the case based on the arguments, facts and expert opinions that are presented to him or her by the parties. A judge with expertise threatens to be a witness that neither party gets to cross-examine, or even hear testify. That's not a good thing.
Its wrong to assume that expertize is desirable in a judge deciding a controversy before him or her. We want the judge to decide the case based on the arguments, facts and expert opinions that are presented to him or her by the parties. A judge with expertise threatens to be a witness that neither party gets to cross-examine, or even hear testify. That's not a good thing.
So should we just abolish bankruptcy courts and the Federal Circuit? Heck, what's the point of administrative courts, such as the tax courts, then? I understand that expertise in a court might not be a good thing in some cases. The arguments against it here, however, are overly broad and don't determine when a specialized court is or is not a preferable option.
So should we just abolish bankruptcy courts and the Federal Circuit? Heck, what's the point of administrative courts, such as the tax courts, then?
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I understand that expertise in a court might not be a good thing in some cases. The arguments against it here, however, are overly broad and don't determine when a specialized court is or is not a preferable option. The words “Its wrong to assume..” were very important to my comment. In the opening paragraph of his commentary, Judge Posner remarks on the “strangeness of confiding so momentous an issue of national security” to a judiciary that is “not chosen for their knowledge of national security.” Imbedded in this criticism is the assumption that having a controversy decided by a judge with expertise over the subject matter is preferable. Responses here seem to accept that assumption and respond to the criticism with arguments about how judges may develop expertise. My point is that it is wrong to accept the initial assumption without analysis. I don’t think I suggested in my comment that we never want a judge to have expertise. However, there are very good reasons -- namely, the ones that I mention in my prior comment -- for why having an expert judge is the exception and not the rule. I can understand the justification for having a dedicated court -- like the FISA court -- in order to control sensitive information. That, however, is different than having expert judges. As another commentator has mentioned, the FISA judges are not chosen for any special knowledge of national security. The justification for having expert judges, though, -- i.e., judges with special knowledge of national security -- seems less obvious to me. The judges in these cases will have to balance national security interests against individual rights. A judge with a background that affords special knowledge of national security is likely to have a pre-existing bias in favor of national security interests. I think I prefer to have the government’s case tested by the adversary system unbiased. Maybe I am wrong, but the assumption that expert judges would be better shouldn’t pass untested.
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